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January 16
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New Glenn launch
[edit]Blurb: Blue Origin's New Glenn rocket successfully reaches orbit on its inaugural launch. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by 109.166.233.124 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Surprised it hasn't been nominated since I think inaugural launches of notable rockets are ITNR. Notable that it is the first methalox rocket to reach orbit (SpaceX's bigger Starship has only technically done sub-orbital flights), and its payload capacity is only passed by the few Super heavy-lift launch vehicles. 109.166.233.124 (talk) 19:14, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- @109.166.233.124 Please create a correctly formatted nomination, and if possible an account. SpectralIon 19:17, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- @SpectralIon: I took care of fixing the nom. The Kip (contribs) 19:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- @The Kip Alright, then I would say Support on Notability since this is the first launch of an advanced rocket, and it reached orbit as well. --SpectralIon 19:23, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- @SpectralIon: I took care of fixing the nom. The Kip (contribs) 19:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support in principle, weak support on quality. This rocket actually worked and its (test) payload was successfully deployed into orbit. The booster was lost on descent, but that's a failure of reusability not of the launch. However, there's only 80 words of update in the article. Don't we normally have a separate article for notable launches, rather than just a section in the article about the rocket? Technically this does meet our minimum requirements, but I would prefer to see more details in the article and fixed cn tags. Modest Genius talk 19:47, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment and support on notability. There isn't even a separate article on the flight/ test itself (I know I know, I could have created it myself, but I'm feeling kinda discouraged from everything this week). The notability is there though. --Ouro (blah blah) 19:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per above. Quality is adequate The Kip (contribs) 19:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment should be noted that the first stage failed to land on its drone ship and was lost during descent, but other than that soft support as it is an inaugural launch, but the article needs some work. Scuba 19:58, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
RD/Blurb: David Lynch
[edit]Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: American filmmaker David Lynch dies at the age of 78. (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by Jon698 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Jon698 (talk) 18:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Lynch is the type of person that comes to mind a likely to have a blurb as a major figure in filmmaking, but the doesn't not have legacy section or equivalent, yet, to support this. If that was added I'd support a urb on all other quality aspects (which appear close) Masem (t) 18:35, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support blurb The death of a film-maker with "the most important film-maker of the current era" in his lede deserves a blurb on the main page. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 18:36, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- I added a blurb. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 19:01, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is in excellent shape Chaiten1 (talk) 18:46, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support No notable CN tags or uncited statements, and the article is of excellent quality. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I just created Draft:Cultural impact of David Lynch. His influence is so massive that an article on his impact is definitely necessary. Thriley (talk) 19:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- For timing of posting here, I'd recommend building out two or three good paragraphs on the bio article and worry about expanding later. — Masem (t) 19:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD. Article is in great shape. Sooner posted the better. Moscow Mule (talk) 19:15, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support blurb Even for the more conservative death-as-blurb people, the standard is typically held as being "top of their field" - in 2007, The Guardian literally declared him "the most important filmmaker of the current era." Monumental impact on the world of film and more than deserving of a blurb. The Kip (contribs) 19:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Blurb Article is in good shape, and Lynch is a world wide household name among anyone with more than a passing interest in cinema. Rockview13 (talk) 19:18, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD and oppose blurb - dont see the breadth and depth of coverage as meriting a blurb. nableezy - 19:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support blurb Extremely influential filmmaker who deserves a blurb, although a section explaining his impact would help. Found it interesting that [Lynchian is recognized as a word] by the Oxford English Dictionary - as far as I know, only a few filmmakers have such influence that their names become adjectives in the English language, including Stanley Kubrick, Sergei Eisenstein, Alfred Hitchcock, and Andrei Tarkovsky. Jaguarnik (talk) 19:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support blurb was one of the more famous filmmakers of the modern era. Scuba 19:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support blurb. Top of the field. One criterion for blurb is the existence of works about person. There is film David Lynch: The Art Life. Has Academy Award, won at Cannes. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:02, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment If posted as a blurb and using the current picture, please make sure it is captioned as in 1990. Masem (t) 20:05, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb manner and direct impact of death not notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:09, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- See Major figures in Blurbs for recendt deaths section. Manner of death is for another type of blurb. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support blurb Twin Peaks alone had a pretty big impact, and combined with everything else? He's definitely important enough. Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support blurb Influential and acclaimed filmmaker, clearly meets the "transformative figure in their field" standard. --CommanderShepardX (talk) 20:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Support blurb I guess the triage would read something like: Would we blurb if this were Spielberg? Yes. Would we blurb if this were Lucas? Probably. Would we blurb if this is Lynch? Depends how many art housey adjudicators there are on Wikipedia that day. CoatCheck (talk) 20:30, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support blurb - large impact on filmmaking. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 20:51, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Bob Uecker
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 15:57, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support: Article is mostly fine but is missing a few inline citations. MT(710) 16:08, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Still working to expand and source between meetings today. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is well cited and long enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 17:29, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
January 15
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RD: Jafar Masood Hasani Nadwi
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ETV Urdu, The Observer Post
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Khaatir (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
An Indian Islamic scholar, writer, and the secretary of Nadwatul Ulama at the time of his death. Khaatir (talk) 09:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Well cited and long enough, with good quality holding this up for ITNRD recognition. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 17:30, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Stephanie Aeffner
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Spiegel Zeit
Credits:
- Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: German Member of Parliament TNM101 (chat) 07:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support 3449 characters (537 words) "readable prose size" and sourced. Grimes2 (talk) 09:09, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Sourcing is good and just long enough ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:44, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Diane Langton
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Meena (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: English actress, singer and dancer – Meena • 23:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Linda Nolan
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Meena (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Irish singer and television personality – Meena • 23:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Jack Hoffman
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Omaha World-Herald, ESPN
Credits:
- Nominated by Dmartin969 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article is in good shape. –DMartin 23:41, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - article looks good ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:53, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
Israel-Hamas ceasefire
[edit]Blurb: A ceasefire agreement is reached to halt the Israel–Hamas war (Post)
Alternative blurb: Israel and Hamas agree to a three-phase ceasefire proposal to end their 15 months of conflict.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Nice4What (talk · give credit)
Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support on notability About time. Departure– (talk) 17:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'll also add oppose on quality for now - article is insufficiently updated as it stands (given the news broke minutes ago). Departure– (talk) 17:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Added altblurb. Departure– (talk) 17:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Departure– are you sure this agreement is to "end" the war or merely to "halt" it? VR (Please ping on reply) 17:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- It won't end the war necessarily, but it'll end the 15 months of conflict (since 7 October, anyway). Departure– (talk) 17:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Right, so the word "end" might not be appropriate.VR (Please ping on reply) 18:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- It won't end the war necessarily, but it'll end the 15 months of conflict (since 7 October, anyway). Departure– (talk) 17:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Departure– are you sure this agreement is to "end" the war or merely to "halt" it? VR (Please ping on reply) 17:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support on article quality, support on notability - A ceasefire agreement in what is probably the largest current geopolitical conflict currently ongoing is important stuff. Quality seems OK, just needs to be updated. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 17:05, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- I believe you've mixed up your votes, @Wildfireupdateman ꧁Zanahary꧂ 18:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Support on notability for obvious reasons, but weak oppose on quality as the article needs to be updated. The Kip (contribs) 17:12, 15 January 2025 (UTC)- Prefer the original blurb over ALT1 as well, given there were more parties to the deal than just Israel and Hamas + there's (unfortunately) no guarantee this permanently ends the war. Do feel the hostage release should be somehow noted, though. The Kip (contribs) 17:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Temporarily changing to Wait per Modest Genius -
neither Israel, nor Hamas, nor any of the mediators have formally announced the deal yet. Let's pump the brakes until that happens. The Kip (contribs) 17:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC) - The USA’s now confirmed the deal, but I’m remaining at wait until it formally goes into effect The Kip (contribs) 20:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait to get the article(s) in shape. Obviously this is a major development and I support on notability, but it was
announcedleaked literally a few minutes ago. We now have separate articles on Three-phase Israel–Hamas war ceasefire proposal (which is still presented as only a proposal) and 2025 exchange of Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners, which should be the bold link but focuses on the hostage exchange rather than the ceasefire and needs to include some reaction. It should probably also be renamed. ITN should let that article settle down a bit rather than rushing to post - we're not a news ticker. Modest Genius talk 17:13, 15 January 2025 (UTC)- Correction: after reading more of the media reports, it appears the existence of a deal has been leaked to the press and posted on social media, but it hasn't been officially announced by either Israel or Hamas and the terms of the deal remain opaque. That's even more reason to wait. Modest Genius talk 17:18, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Another update: it has now been announced that the ceasefire will begin on 19 Jan. So we should wait until then to post, which also gives time for the articles to be sorted out. Modest Genius talk 19:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Correction: after reading more of the media reports, it appears the existence of a deal has been leaked to the press and posted on social media, but it hasn't been officially announced by either Israel or Hamas and the terms of the deal remain opaque. That's even more reason to wait. Modest Genius talk 17:18, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 17:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- According to the Wall Street Journal, this is an "agreement to the outline" of the deal that was leaked. [2] There will be 24-48 hours before it is finalized. It's major news, but an alternative blurb with attribution is necessary. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 17:25, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability, noting that yet another article was created at 2025 Israel–Hamas ceasefire, meaning a merge should definitely be considered. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait All reports i see include "according to ppl familiar with the matter", so this is not confirmed yet. Masem (t) 17:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- White House is now confirming but the article should fully reflect all details of the ceasefire [3] — Masem (t) 19:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait Cannot jump the gun here, the article as of now begins with "is a proposed" i.e. not official and not announced by either party. A prisoner exchange is apparently official but the significance lies in the broader ceasefire agreement not the exchange itself. We can and should wait till this is official. Gotitbro (talk) 17:55, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait, but if nothing changes for one hour promote this quickly. JayCubby 18:02, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait - We aren't a news ticker. No need to keep trying to throw breaking news up on the main page as fast as possible. We should be waiting for more developments to come out. ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 18:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- .....this is a section called In The News PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- For featuring quality articles that happen to be in the news, not to perform the functions of a newspaper. Quality can't be there until more terms of the ceasefire are known. Masem (t) 20:07, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- And now it looks like Israel and Hamas are quarreling over the final details of the ceasefire, holding up its approval. ITN is here to highlight quality articles about current events. No article can be of main page quality if it’s an hour old - and people saying things like “post this breaking story to the main page immediately” don’t seem to understand that. ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 11:58, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- .....this is a section called In The News PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose declaring a ceasefire and holding a successful ceasefire are two very different things; they can announce a ceasefire multiple times in various ways and combinations and agree on anything they like, but it will be meaningless until the ceasefire agreement actually results in one; given how few ceasefires hold and how volatile this particular situation is, this isn't much more than pure politics at the moment. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:23, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- WP:CRYSTAL. We can’t presume ourselves that the ceasefire will or won’t hold. The Kip (contribs) 19:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- I do think there's a case for waiting until the ceasefire enters into effect. Modest Genius talk 19:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Modest Genius I fully agree, hence why I struck my initial vote and changed to Wait - I’m just saying that I think it’s CRYSTAL to oppose posting it because it might not hold once in effect. The Kip (contribs) 20:47, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- I do think there's a case for waiting until the ceasefire enters into effect. Modest Genius talk 19:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- WP:CRYSTAL. We can’t presume ourselves that the ceasefire will or won’t hold. The Kip (contribs) 19:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait, then support upon confirmation of the agreement by Israel If signed by both sides, this is monumental. Responding to Abcmaxx, only the signing of an agreement itself, not it celebrating its future hypothetical six month or one year anniversary, is the type of thing we can post at ITN. We don't post anniversaries. This ceasefire agreement is also the first time Israel has acceded to a mass release of Palestinian prisoners and the first time they have agreed to a path towards a permanent end to the current war. That is extremely notable, even if it ends up dissolving after a few weeks. WP:CRYSTAL also applies here - political theorizations that this is doomed to fail because within x y or z number of days do not negate notability. FlipandFlopped ツ 19:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- I understand the WP:CRYSTAL arguments however politicians promise lots of things all the time but very rarely deliver. We should have some proof that this ceasefire agreement is actually meaningful in some other way than some grand words and crossed fingers. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:51, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Grand words and crossed fingers are what goes in ITN. doesn't matter if somehow it fails.
- See, the reason we nominate this for ITN because it is breaking news. Not because its a landmark, commitment to peace, etc. ☢️SCR@TCH!NGH3@D (talk) 08:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- I understand the WP:CRYSTAL arguments however politicians promise lots of things all the time but very rarely deliver. We should have some proof that this ceasefire agreement is actually meaningful in some other way than some grand words and crossed fingers. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:51, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait/Support for the deal going into effect. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support notable and major event
- Wait for the ceasefire to take effect. –DMartin 20:30, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support They reached a ceasefire, and there’s no reason to wait. We should post a blurb on this and remove it from ongoing. If one of the parties breaks the ceasefire and continues with military operations, that’d be a separate story to post.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:37, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strongly oppose removing this from ongoing. The first phase, which has been agreed to, covers only a temporary ceasefire. The negotiation of a permanent ceasefire has not yet happened.VR (Please ping on reply) 21:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support but make it only about the hostage exchange until the ceasefire is official Ion.want.uu (talk) 20:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait I'm just listening to an Israeli spokesman on the BBC (David Mercer) who states quite definitely that the deal has not been finalised and won't be until tomorrow at the earliest. And the background of US politics seems quite puzzling (why is Trump so keen on doing this before the inauguration?) It will take time to nail down these details and also to see if the ceasefire and hostage releases actually happen. In the meantime, we have the war listed in Ongoing and that covers all such developments. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- There's a precedence likely Trump would like to emulate, but its Crystal Ball to say if it true or not, but see Iranian Hostage Crisis. TheCorriynial (talk) 00:23, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strongly support when ready. Very notable, very significant. I will note that so far they have only agreed to phase one of the ceasefire out of three. -TenorTwelve (talk) 21:54, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support huge news This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:29, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support very important. --IDB.S (talk) 00:53, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support on notability because this is indeed very important news. --Plumber (talk) 01:10, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait for the ceasefire to take effect. Tradediatalk 03:43, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support when everything's ready and assured. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:40, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - I'll believe it when I see it. Also, if this does happen, then Gaza should go from ongoing. Otherwise this is ongoing. Nfitz (talk) 07:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait It is just a 42-day ceasefire, not the end of the war. It doesn't even take effect until Sunday, so there will be more fighting until then. Should stay in Ongoing. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait until ceasefire takes effect on the 19th. Angusgtw (talk) 12:22, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait per Angusgtw, and also per article quality. I'd only heard of this a few minutes ago and when I went to read the article it was not satisfactory to sate my curiosity about the actual agreement that happened on 15 January. /home/gracen/ (they/them) 16:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment noting that Israel wants to delay the ceasefire, as it performed airstrikes overnight. Definitely should wait. [4] Masem (t) 18:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait Notable, but it's not 100% confirmed yet (Israeli cabinet needs to agree). Bremps... 18:37, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Pachu Kannan (talk) 19:44, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- See rule 1 of WP:ITNCDONT. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 20:49, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) Yoon Suk Yeol arrest
[edit]Blurb: South Korean president Yoon Seok Yeol is arrested after his declaration of martial law. (Post)
Alternative blurb: South Korean president Yoon Seok Yeol is arrested in a standoff involving over 3000 police officers.
News source(s): https://www.chosun.com/national/court_law/2025/01/15/YE7U73ANOJEUFPXBYEFD72XO5U/
Credits:
- Nominated by Ca (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: First time in South Korean history a president got arrested, or even received an arrest warrant. Ca talk to me! 01:53, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support: Seems notable. Deserves attention. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 01:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- English language sources (BBC) are trickling in. Ca talk to me! 02:03, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability Article quality seems sufficient for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose This seems incidental to the impeachment process as a whole. What should be blurbable is the result, with removal and a change in the officeholder (beyond someone acting as president) being INTR. rawmustard (talk) 03:09, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose I agree that the "arrest" by itself should not be the subject of a blurb. The blurb should be about the end result of this whole saga. Tradediatalk 03:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Was already impeached, this drama around avoiding arrest is very much secondary to what we already posted. Masem (t) 03:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support because he is the first South Korean president detained while in office, although he is suspended due to impeachment. JordanJa🎮es92🐱9 03:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support as his arrest is the first of a sitting (albeit suspended) president in South Korean history. This event is noteworthy enough in its own right, independent of his impeachment in December (which has already happened twice before) Prince Of Iso (talk) 04:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Unlike Impeachment of prime minister Han Duck-soo, this is direct consequence of the Martial Law declaration. He would not have been arrested if he attended any summons he received, but if he were the kind of person to attend the summon, then he wouldn't have declared the Martial Law. Didgogns (talk) 04:39, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support We posted the arrest of Trump, I can't see how this is fundamentally different from that. Also to be noted here are the multiple attempts to evade arrest by Yoon, including with the help of his presidential guard. Gotitbro (talk) 06:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yoon has already been impeached, the arrest a formality in completing the process. Trump has not been convicted, but it was being indicted that was the story, the necessary arrest and booking a part of that. Effectively, this is like posting an inauguration after we already posted the election results; its part of the process and not the newsworthy part of the process. Masem (t) 13:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support -- a sitting head of government being arrested should always satisfy ITN criteria, in my opinion. --RockstoneSend me a message! 06:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per Trump precedent This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose for multiple reasons. Firstly, he wasn't actually arrested, but voluntarily handed himself over. Secondly, he's been already impeached for the illegal declaration of martial law, so the arrest warrant was a highly anticipated logical consequence. Thirdly, he's no longer sitting president as he was impeached a month ago. Fourthly, posting Trump's arrest was a mistake, and I don't think it should be used as a precedent. We don't really need to post every single development in the story. Let's wait to see if he gets convicted, and then we can post it as a conclusion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Firstly, he wasn't actually arrested, but voluntarily handed himself over.
In common English usage, "arrest" means "a detention during which one is not legally free to stroll out the door at any time one chooses"—it has nothing to do with whether one walks into a law enforcement office and surrenders to law enforcement vs being tackled while on the run by half a dozen officers and cuffed and shackled while helicopters circle overhead. It is quite common in "non-violent crimes" (like financial "white-collar crimes") for law enforcement to communicate back and forth with a suspect's legal counsel and mutually agree upon a time/place for the suspect to present themselves for arrest, vs smashing the door down at 1 AM. --Slowking Man (talk) 16:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support A major event of the Korean crisis. ArionStar (talk) 08:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per above, still important. Sahaib (talk) 10:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Culmination of a two-week standoff where Yoon has been using his presidential security and supporters to resist arrest. Describing this as "voluntary" is disingenuous, since Yoon himself said that he "voluntarily" decided to surrender after watching a 3,000 strong police contingent dismantle the barricades his security team put up and use ladders to infiltrate the compound, and insisted that the whole thing was unconstitutional. Also, it's very big worldwide news, and a historic first for a sitting president in the country. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 12:40, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- He's no longer a sitting president after his impeachment, so your last sentence is factually incorrect.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Kind of. He can still return to power depending on the Constitutional Court decision. Ca talk to me! 13:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- He still holds the office, he just has essentially zero power unless the Constitutional Court ruling rules in his favour. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 19:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- He's no longer a sitting president after his impeachment, so your last sentence is factually incorrect.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support This should actually be added due to the fact that this might be the first on record president of the Republic of Korea to be arrested, and plus @Ca is right, he can return to power. So he is technically still the president and this standoff led to an arrest. Shaneapickle (talk) 13:56, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability. A major event in global politics. --IDB.S (talk) 14:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose This is just a minor stage in an ongoing drama. Looking at previous presidents under this constitution, Roh Moo-hyun jumped into a ravine, Lee Myung-bak got 17 years in jail and Park Geun-hye got 24 years in jail. Having to answer some questions seems quite mild by comparison and it's the final outcome which will matter more. My impression from their game shows is that SK is quite highly strung and intense and so they often tend to go to such extremes. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:52, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- The difference being that Yoon is still president in suspension and hasn't been removed from his post. Roh's suicide happened years after he lost the 2007 South Korean presidential election; Lee's conviction came more than half decade after his loss in the 2012 South Korean presidential election; Park too was convicted years after her impeachment. Notably none of these involved the intensive stand-off at the heart of the story here.
- And we seriously cannot be assessing South Korean politics through its TV game shows. Gotitbro (talk) 17:47, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support altblurb 2 - not just the arrest. The standoff at Yoon Suk Yeol's residence is much of the story, not his ultimate arrest. A president of a major nation having a 13-day standoff with law enforcement of his own country to me seems extremely ITN-worthy. Departure– (talk) 15:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- "Sitting head of government arrested" seems notable enough, and is something "in the news" internationally. Suggest modification on altblurb: "South Korean president Yoon Suk Yeol is arrested following a 13-day standoff." Keep it pithy, if people want more details that's what the links are for.
- Note on linking: the prez bio article is currently titled Yoon Suk Yeol. Main Page links should reflect WP-canonical Romanization, so make sure to change that presuming the title is the "right" one. --Slowking Man (talk) 16:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - very notable, sitting president arrested
- Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 16:29, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support - A sitting president (yes, he doesn't exercise his powers due the impeachment but he's still a sitting president) was arrested. What news is significant if this isn't? MT(710) 16:54, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support even with the prior posting of his impeachment, this is still the arrest of a sitting head of state/government. It's easily notable enough. The Kip (contribs) 17:13, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per Trump precedent. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:46, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- We posted Trump:s impeachment, indictment and his convictions, but never posted his arrest, so there is no ", Trump precedent" here. (we already posted Yoon's impeachment) — Masem (t) 18:44, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- There is no Trump precedent, but if Trump had only surrendered to authorities after a fortnight of using his Secret Service detail to barricade Mar-a-lago or Trump Tower to stop police from arresting him and forcing a 3,000 strong police force to infiltrate the building, it probably would've been posted. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- On the basis that the arrest was not preceeded by a conviction or similar. And while Yoon did cause this delay, this was all peaceful, making an interesting part of the whole impeacent process but not a significant standalone part of that story. Masem (t) 23:18, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- There is no Trump precedent, but if Trump had only surrendered to authorities after a fortnight of using his Secret Service detail to barricade Mar-a-lago or Trump Tower to stop police from arresting him and forcing a 3,000 strong police force to infiltrate the building, it probably would've been posted. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- We posted Trump:s impeachment, indictment and his convictions, but never posted his arrest, so there is no ", Trump precedent" here. (we already posted Yoon's impeachment) — Masem (t) 18:44, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose His martial law, his impeachment, and the subsequent impeachment of Han Duck-soo were notable enough, but I'd argue that this isn't really that notable. Yoon definitely had it coming, and we've already blurbed 3 events relating to this crisis. --SpectralIon (talk) 18:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support this has made global headline news, even made some if the front pages of some very far flung places far from Korea, and the surrounding circumstances and manner of arrest is highly unusual and polarising in itself. Unprecedented event, and his arrest although possible was in no way a foregone conclusion at all. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Arrest of a sitting (albeit suspended) President. That alone should be enough to warrant a blurb here. Add in the fact that this wasn't just some mundane arrest either, and this is a slam-dunk nom. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment it may be more prudent to add 2024 South Korean martial law crisis to ongoing. I suspect this isn't going to go away any time soon, and not every update is going to be ITN-worthy. –DMartin 20:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Significant. Setarip (talk) 21:28, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support as Yoon is the first president of South Korea detained while in office in history. --Plumber (talk) 01:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Most definitely a key moment of the current crisis in South Korea, although I agree with Dmartin969 that adding the 2024 South Korean martial law crisis to the ongoing section might prove to be a reasonable decision, as well. But we likely need to open a different discussion for it... Oltrepier (talk) 10:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per editors above. Technically still in office, becomes the first arrested sitting president of South Korea TNM101 (chat) 15:52, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support we posted Trump for getting arrested, and he wasn't even the incumbent at the time. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 16:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted. I believe there is a consensus to post, so I am doing so. 331dot (talk) 17:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- @331dot: Could you please add 'Posted' in the beginning of your comment, as it is helpful in navigating through the discussion when it is archived or is further discussed. Thanks, ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 17:53, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
January 14
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January 14, 2025
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RD: Furio Colombo
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Il Messaggero Notizie
Credits:
- Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Italian journalist and politician. Article is a bit short but I believe enough for RD. Can't comment on the sources used TNM101 (chat) 14:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Perhaps at the bare minimum length for ITNRD, but it is enough. Article is well cited and has a decent tone. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 15:37, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support, as per Fakescientist8000. Oltrepier (talk) 10:40, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Heinz Kluetmeier
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Athletic
Credits:
- Nominated by Rawmustard (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: German-born American photographer noted for the Sports Illustrated cover of the Miracle on Ice. rawmustard (talk) 03:22, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support Could be a bit longer, but the article is ultimately well cited and of a good quality. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 15:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support I've expanded it a bit based on obits I found. Thanks for nominating. Legoktm (talk) 05:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Tony Slattery
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British comedian, best known for being on the original uk Whose Line is it Anyway?. Several unsourced and cn tags on article. Masem (t) 16:14, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Orange tagged and lacking in citations throughout the article. Must be improved far beyond what it already is now. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:37, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Simon Townsend
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-15/simon-townsend-has-died-journalist-tv-presenter/104818750
Credits:
- Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Australian journalist, and conscientious objector during the Vietnam War, who spent time in prison, then later became host of a very popular childrens TV show, Simon Townsend's Wonder World. HiLo48 (talk) 22:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Only one reference for the whole article. Stephen 23:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The article, despite being up for 20 years, has a single reference, is orange tagged, and has two completely uncited sections. Please fix. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
January 13
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January 13, 2025
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RD: Elgar Howarth
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph
Credits:
- Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Erksahin (talk · give credit), Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit) and Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Versatile English trumpeter, composer and conductor, who conducted many world premieres, including Ligeti's Le Grand Macabre and four operas by Harrison Birtwistle, and who played trumpet fanfares for The Beatles. The article was already quite developed and sourced. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Walter Deutsch
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Österreichisches Volksliedwerk
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Austrian musicologist focused on folk music, leading a university institute in Vienna from 1965 to 1993 and making folk music popular on radio and television from 1967, collecting material for both purposes. He was 101. - The article and the references were there but not yet connected ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:10, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is well cited and is generally long enough. Good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 02:35, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support 4524 characters (745 words) "readable prose size" and sourced. Grimes2 (talk) 09:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Niel Barnard
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): News24 IOL
Credits:
- Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Bigdavesee (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: South African intelligence chief. Article is of good length TNM101 (chat) 15:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose There are quite a few uncited statements throughout the article. These must be fixed before we can put this on ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 02:36, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Tony Book
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jan/14/tony-book-manchester-city-dies-aged-90
Credits:
- Updated by Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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03:53, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is well cited and is plenty long enough to be put on the Main Page. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 15:34, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) Lebanese prime minister
[edit]Blurb: Nawaf Salam is chosen to be the next prime minister of Lebanon (Post)
Alternative blurb: Joseph Aoun (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon and names Nawaf Salam prime minister
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by DecafPotato (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Lebanon's Prime Minister is the ITNR position for the country (administers the executive in the country), so discussions shouldn't focus on notability but only article quality. However, I think this should probably be merged with the current blurb about the new president, since those two events are very related, unless people have objections to that. DecafPotato (talk) 21:08, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support merge with president blurb into something like "Joseph Aoun is elected president of Lebanon, with Nawaf Salam being nominated as Prime Minister". Salam also has a pretty large article and it seems to be well cited. --SpectralIon (talk) 21:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Edit: There's actually a lot of CN tags at the bottom of the article, I would now say Wait on quality. SpectralIon (talk) 21:14, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Edit 2: CN problems resolved, I now fully Support Merge. SpectralIon (talk) 20:53, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Edit: There's actually a lot of CN tags at the bottom of the article, I would now say Wait on quality. SpectralIon (talk) 21:14, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait, then Support per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 21:53, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support merge with president blurb into something like "Joseph Aoun (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon and names Nawaf Salam prime minister". This is important enough for ITN because it is a surprise reformist prime minister naming that angers Hezbollah (Reuters, Al Jazeera, France 24). Tradediatalk 21:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose: Both the article Nawaf Salam and prime minister of Lebanon need to better sourced, and have inline citations. Multiple CN tags.Support merging --ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:49, 14 January 2025 (UTC)- Comment: I added altblurb that does not link to any new article (but just augments the blurb we already have) in case the new articles are not ready in terms of quality, we can just modify the old blurb as we wait for quality to improve. Tradediatalk 12:34, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support merged blurb, but comment Just easiest to add Salam as PM to existing blurb without worring about quality of Salam's article, however, I do note that that leaves the current featured article about the election absent any discussion of the PM selection (Aoun's article and Salam's article of course have it). I don't think that that lack is a bad thing (this election is very much its own version of an IAR situations) so it should be okay to just amend without haven't any adjustment to the featured article. Masem (t) 13:05, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support merge @SpectralIon @Ion.want.uu @ExclusiveEditor I have resolved the citation issues. Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:56, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Prodrummer619: There are still few CN tags. If your didn't find a source for them, then we can remove those statements and move forward. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 14:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @ExclusiveEditor Woops. It Should've been done in a second edit but it didn't go though due to an error. Can you check now Prodrummer619 (talk) 14:30, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Looks fine now, I've changed to support. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 14:49, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @ExclusiveEditor Woops. It Should've been done in a second edit but it didn't go though due to an error. Can you check now Prodrummer619 (talk) 14:30, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Prodrummer619: There are still few CN tags. If your didn't find a source for them, then we can remove those statements and move forward. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 14:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support merge per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 15:09, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted as an addition to the current item. Stephen 23:04, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Oliviero Toscani
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by EvergreenFir (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Famous photographer EvergreenFir (talk) 19:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Could be expanded from Italian with sources, would be very good candidate then for sure. --ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 06:51, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Feels a bit bare-bones, and there are several uncited statements in the article as well. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 13:07, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
2025 Prayag Kumbh Mela
[edit]Blurb: The Maha Kumbh Mela, a major Hindu festival, begins in Prayagraj, India (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by LukeSurl (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Beginning of a once-in-144 years festival (the Kumbh Mela occurs every 12 years, with a larger Maha iteration each 144 years). The Guardian expects more than 400 million people to attend this year’s festivities. C-class article exists but could be improved. LukeSurl t c 11:41, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- With Hinduism time cycles being infinitely fractal or almost is there a Super Maha Kumbh Mela every 12^3 yrs? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:10, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: The article has now been copyedited. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 15:36, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I have added a tag to the article, since it contains words like "mystical" and "sophisticated" TNM101 (chat) 17:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support - but I have also raised a query on the talk page, about this '144 years' claim. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Jupiter's orbit is more precisely 4,332.59d (assuming sidereal like their astrology not tropical) so seems like it should be 143 about 34.7% of the time else 142 but I don't know how it's scheduled i.e. is it always the same season? Sidereal yr or tropical? Is starting ~Full Moon ending ~last crescent or ~New Moon coincidence or lunar/lunisolar calendar? (12x4332.59 (~11.862yr) is ~146.715 pure (nonlunisolar) lunar yrs so that's not where 144 comes from) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:52, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- If you look at the talk page, you will see the specific queries I'm raising. Basically it amounts to (1) wasn't the 2013 Prayag Kumbh Mela described at the time as a Maha Kumbh Mela? (2) is there anything in sources about the 1882 (eg 143 years ago) Prayag Kumbh Mela to show that it was distinctive in the way that the current one is claimed to be? GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:00, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Reading news reporting, it seems like the event’s size and significance arguably owes more to 21st century Indian sociopolitical trends rather than ancient calendar cycles. This can be discussed in the article - the blurb is deliberately simple. Regardless, this is a very large event that is in the news. LukeSurl t c 23:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- @LukeSurl: I consider the blurb not 'deliberately' simple, but uneditorialised. Notre Dam's opening did not cover the recent right's rise in Europe. This example is not to draw analogy, but to connect. Given Guardian is British agency, they consider clubbing a lot of things related to a single event within an article when it comes to foreign news, especially Indian religions and the corresponding politics involved with it at a broader scale. Not a mistake but sure editorialising, although I agree the 'sociopolitical trends' sure are a reason for its wider scale this year. The 144 years is an estimate of Indian astrological calculations, and is relevant only because it feels 'good' to say that to exgravate the event. Kumbh Mela has always been a large celebration, even the last 'big' KM they did in 2013 was called 'Maha' KM. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Reading news reporting, it seems like the event’s size and significance arguably owes more to 21st century Indian sociopolitical trends rather than ancient calendar cycles. This can be discussed in the article - the blurb is deliberately simple. Regardless, this is a very large event that is in the news. LukeSurl t c 23:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- If you look at the talk page, you will see the specific queries I'm raising. Basically it amounts to (1) wasn't the 2013 Prayag Kumbh Mela described at the time as a Maha Kumbh Mela? (2) is there anything in sources about the 1882 (eg 143 years ago) Prayag Kumbh Mela to show that it was distinctive in the way that the current one is claimed to be? GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:00, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- On this Day is the main page section that usually handles religious festivals and other calendar events, not ITN. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- It is not a festival, and is not per the Gregorian calendar. This one doesn't happen every year, once in 12 years. Last it happened in 2013. --ExclusiveEditor (talk) 08:28, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- The proposed blurb says it's "a major Hindu festival". And the timing seems complex and variable – the main article says that the biggest attendance was on 4 February 2019. As it's a long festival and the crowding tends to generate incidents, like the Moslem pilgrimmages to Mecca, perhaps ITN should wait until we have something specific to report. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:41, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- As for what I've found on internet, Kumbh Mela was historically used to be a generic word to refer to local pilgrimage/religious gatherings happening in multiple city, but today only refers to the four major such gatherings, happening every few years in four Indian cities (2019 was one of its smaller variations (half Kumbh mela), although 2025 is expected to outdo it). The biggest and most notable of these four is the one happening in Prayagraj known as Prayag Kumbh Mela which happens once every 12 years. It's not a festival in traditional sense (like the ones there are holidays for), it is not celebrated across India in every city in general, but rather confined to that city where outside people pilgrimage to participate in. It has attained the title of 'festival' in recent centuries, although it might not be one. What makes it notable is not that it is celebrated by hundreds of millions of people across India, but that hundreds of millions from across the country visit the city to participate in it. It is an 'event' which has fixed starting and ending dates, and for 2025 PKM it is 13 January to 26 February 2025. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 11:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Billions of people have recently celebrated Christmas and the New Year in various ways. Those events were in the news too but we need something more for ITN. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Christmas and New Year comes every Year, Kumbh Mela (the main one) doesn't. It comes every 12 years, which is the point of putting it on ITN. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 13:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Billions of people have recently celebrated Christmas and the New Year in various ways. Those events were in the news too but we need something more for ITN. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- As for what I've found on internet, Kumbh Mela was historically used to be a generic word to refer to local pilgrimage/religious gatherings happening in multiple city, but today only refers to the four major such gatherings, happening every few years in four Indian cities (2019 was one of its smaller variations (half Kumbh mela), although 2025 is expected to outdo it). The biggest and most notable of these four is the one happening in Prayagraj known as Prayag Kumbh Mela which happens once every 12 years. It's not a festival in traditional sense (like the ones there are holidays for), it is not celebrated across India in every city in general, but rather confined to that city where outside people pilgrimage to participate in. It has attained the title of 'festival' in recent centuries, although it might not be one. What makes it notable is not that it is celebrated by hundreds of millions of people across India, but that hundreds of millions from across the country visit the city to participate in it. It is an 'event' which has fixed starting and ending dates, and for 2025 PKM it is 13 January to 26 February 2025. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 11:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- The proposed blurb says it's "a major Hindu festival". And the timing seems complex and variable – the main article says that the biggest attendance was on 4 February 2019. As it's a long festival and the crowding tends to generate incidents, like the Moslem pilgrimmages to Mecca, perhaps ITN should wait until we have something specific to report. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:41, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- It is not a festival, and is not per the Gregorian calendar. This one doesn't happen every year, once in 12 years. Last it happened in 2013. --ExclusiveEditor (talk) 08:28, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- There's equivocation here around the word 'festival', which is both used to mean 'recurrent religious or cultural date of celebration' and 'mass gathering in celebration'. The Kumbh Mela is both of those things. It doesn't take place only on a single day, so I'm not sure OTD is appropriate; what is significant here is the reported scale and alleged rarity of this event. I'm entirely satisfied that the scale is as big as has been claimed; I am, however, dubious about the rarity, as I have said elsewhere. That this celebration is not governed by the Gregorian calendar would be no obstacle to putting it in OTD: we regularly list events from the Julian, Hebrew, Islamic, and other calendars there. As to the frequency aside from the 144-year issue, it seems apparent: (1) that there are four sites at which events of this sort take place, and that each site is on its own twelve-year cycle (2) that the celebrations are staggered, so that a cycle starts at one of the four sites every three years (3) that some sites hold an Ardh Kumbh Mela - that is, a halfway event - at the six-year point of their respective twelve-year cycles (4) that this one, the Prayag Kumbh Mela, is of high prestige, possibly the highest among the four. Certainly it is the ones 12 and 24 years ago that I recall last getting this much coverage abroad. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:11, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
Support on notability, may be considered an ITNR, happening every 12 years.Support for 12 years notability, and if that's not enough then its better on 'On this Day' as suggested by Andrew above. --ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 13:11, 14 January 2025 (UTC)- As noted above, we'd normally use OTD for such things, so the "regular" event that happens every ~12 years doesn't need to be an ITN. This one, which does appear to be the maha version, that only happens every ~144 years, is unique and reasonable to call out for an ITN, but its frequency at once-every-144-years doesn't make for a good ITNR. Masem (t) 13:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Masem: Different types of KMs happen every 2-4 years in 4 cities of India, on rotational order. Most notable (maybe deserving an ITN) is Maha Kumbh Mela happening in Prayagraj every 12 years. [2019 KM, although also held in Prayagraj, was 'Ardh (meaning halfly, which happens between 2 Maha KMs)']. The once-in-144 year KM is not denoted by 'Maha', that's jus a confusion probably caused by under researched news articles. 2013 KM was also 'Maha', 2001 KM was also 'Maha'... no relation between 144 years and prefix 'Maha'. And for the question if 144 years ago if there was some special KM, I didn't find any source suggesting that any KM from the 1800s was special for this matter, however a considerable thing is that KMs were not that popular back then so official record keeping may have missed it. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 14:20, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Then we need to have that all clear and resolved because the ITN worthy item is the 144yr event, not the 12 yr one. Sources today seem to claim this one is the special 144 yr one but it's extremely confusing from our articles. — Masem (t) 14:25, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Masem: BBC itself has two contradictory articles. One from 2013 states that MahaKumbh 2013 was the 144 year special one, other published two days ago mentions that this year's MahaKumbh is 144 year special. Maybe no one knows for sure and different people hold different opinions, with this year's claim being the loudest of them all. And I've found that 'Maha' prefix is indeed used for 144 year special KMs, but they are using it every time now, maybe to attract more people. --ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 15:30, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Then we need to have that all clear and resolved because the ITN worthy item is the 144yr event, not the 12 yr one. Sources today seem to claim this one is the special 144 yr one but it's extremely confusing from our articles. — Masem (t) 14:25, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Masem: Different types of KMs happen every 2-4 years in 4 cities of India, on rotational order. Most notable (maybe deserving an ITN) is Maha Kumbh Mela happening in Prayagraj every 12 years. [2019 KM, although also held in Prayagraj, was 'Ardh (meaning halfly, which happens between 2 Maha KMs)']. The once-in-144 year KM is not denoted by 'Maha', that's jus a confusion probably caused by under researched news articles. 2013 KM was also 'Maha', 2001 KM was also 'Maha'... no relation between 144 years and prefix 'Maha'. And for the question if 144 years ago if there was some special KM, I didn't find any source suggesting that any KM from the 1800s was special for this matter, however a considerable thing is that KMs were not that popular back then so official record keeping may have missed it. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 14:20, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- As noted above, we'd normally use OTD for such things, so the "regular" event that happens every ~12 years doesn't need to be an ITN. This one, which does appear to be the maha version, that only happens every ~144 years, is unique and reasonable to call out for an ITN, but its frequency at once-every-144-years doesn't make for a good ITNR. Masem (t) 13:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment It would be helpful if the contradiction on the Kumbh Mela page, which claims the 2013 event in Prayagraj was a Maha event as well, could be resolved. I see most sources calling the 2025 event the Maha one, but then you have a the 2013 as being Maha sourced to a gov't document. I know that article is not featured, but given that a large proportion of our readership is not Hindu, I think we need to have clarity fixed there as well and just to make sure we are acknowledgint the 144-year event. Masem (t) 13:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose for now - there are inconsistencies as Masem points out above, and several tags that need work. While notable we should cover it at its conclusion in February when there are much more concrete facts about attendance and the article is not a bunch of WP:CRYSTALBALL material. Schwinnspeed (talk) 16:01, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- We definitely do not want to post the current blurb until there is clarity on whether this is considered a 'Maha' kumbh. There is discussion about it on the talk page that should at minimum be resolved before posting the current blurb. Schwinnspeed (talk) 16:14, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Hindu festivals are not ITN. 2607:FEA8:9DE:67E0:CC70:984F:2BDA:7121 (talk) 21:48, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- There is no such categorical rule, and frankly, anon, your position looks somewhat prejudicial.
- (By the way, 2025 is also a Jubliee Year in the Catholic Church, an event which occurs once every 25 years. This one is also the 1700th anniversary of the First Council of Nicaea. If there's a nice big event relating to that, with lots of appropriate sources, I would vote for it to be included at ITN as well. I regard both of these major events as having potential merit as ITN stories if the pages are up to standard.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- The First Council of Nicaea has been regularly run at OTD -- having been posted 10 times so far. This lapsed in 2016 so I've just rescheduled it for this year. The nice thing about OTD is that it has an "anyone can edit" process which makes it easier to get things done. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:46, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- OTD is really good option. The only thing which I think still makes posting this on ITN plausible is if this is really an event happening once every 144 years. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 11:33, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- The First Council of Nicaea has been regularly run at OTD -- having been posted 10 times so far. This lapsed in 2016 so I've just rescheduled it for this year. The nice thing about OTD is that it has an "anyone can edit" process which makes it easier to get things done. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:46, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose after reading the above insightful discussion by helpful editors. Also, just because it is rare does not mean it should be ITN material. For example, there was a big celebration in France for the 200 years anniversary of the French revolution, but i don't think we would have blurbed it. Tradediatalk 23:51, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support with 400 million people participating I see no argument as to why this should not be featured. Banedon (talk) 03:56, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- The number attending on Monday was said to be 16 million. The 400 million figure is a prediction for the cumulative numbers over 45 days. But you get similar or bigger numbers for other mass celebrations. For example, we have the Chinese New Year coming up soon and millions travel and celebrate that. This usually has a logistical impact which is covered in the news – see example. Diwali, Easter, Ramadan ... there are many such. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson: That's a bad comparison. Chinese new year or any other festival for that matter, millions travel across the country to their hometown which is not the same as a concentrated attendance at one location, like 'Prayagraj' here. All the other festivals you listed also do not include single-location gatherings. KM has far more logistical complexities other than travelling like managing health, safety, sanitation, transportation, and crowd control. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 11:28, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- For crowding, refer List of largest peaceful gatherings. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 11:31, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- The number attending on Monday was said to be 16 million. The 400 million figure is a prediction for the cumulative numbers over 45 days. But you get similar or bigger numbers for other mass celebrations. For example, we have the Chinese New Year coming up soon and millions travel and celebrate that. This usually has a logistical impact which is covered in the news – see example. Diwali, Easter, Ramadan ... there are many such. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose pending clarification per Masem and Schwinnspeed. FlipandFlopped ツ 02:04, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Leslie Charleson
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://people.com/leslie-charleson-dead-general-hospital-actress-8605210
Credits:
- Nominated by SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk · give credit)
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Regards, SSCG 0:00, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support This is a notable person who died yesterday. The article about her is reasonably well developed.--Eastview2018 (talk) 14:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Eastview2018 with all due respect, this comment reads as if it was written by AI - did you use that? The Kip (contribs) 16:02, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- @The Kip Are you talking about the very comment above you? It's too short to determine anything, and looks natural to most part to me. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:58, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @ExclusiveEditor The blunt summary of the context + awkward pause in the middle/separation into two sentences reads like AI to me, but that could also just be my own paranoia speaking. The Kip (contribs) 17:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- @The Kip Are you talking about the very comment above you? It's too short to determine anything, and looks natural to most part to me. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:58, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Orange tagged and lacking in citations, must be addressed before we can put this on the Main Page. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:36, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The filmography section, without which the article would be stub like, is completely uncited. --ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 07:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
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RD: William P. Dixon
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wisconsin State Journal
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Star Garnet (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: American lawyer and political strategist. Death announced 12 January. Thriley (talk) 04:30, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, the article is a stub and is too short. Güiseppi669 (talk) 09:18, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is far too stubby to be recognized on the Main Page. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 15:31, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Cheers to you too. Güiseppi669 (talk) 17:00, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
2024 Chadian parliamentary election results
[edit]Blurb: In Chad, the ruling Patriotic Salvation Movement provisionally receives a majority in the National Assembly. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The ruling Patriotic Salvation Movement in Chad receives a majority in the National Assembly.
Alternative blurb II: In Chad, the ruling Patriotic Salvation Movement retains a majority in the National Assembly amidst a boycott by opposition parties.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Yo.dazo (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Nom per ITN/R. I'm also thinking if the blurb should also mention that opposition parties boycotted the election. Yo.dazo (talk) 19:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment It would be bizarre to run this separately from the mysterious attack on the Presidential palace in the same country. People seem to think that the government's statements are not reliable so why would this be any different? My impression is that there's likely to be a connection but we don't have good, reliable sources for any of it. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:28, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- We can't engage in original research and our own conclusions even if they seem obvious. Harizotoh9 (talk) 23:00, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Below, you say that
"Chad is not a democracy, and you can't trust anything their government says."
Andrew🐉(talk) 00:11, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Below, you say that
- We can't engage in original research and our own conclusions even if they seem obvious. Harizotoh9 (talk) 23:00, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Am I allowed to oppose based on the absolutely atrocious sandwiching of the lead by the overly-wide electionbox? It's averaging three words per line on my screen. Also, I realize this is on ITN/R, but according to the article this election was boycotted by the opposition and the ruling party, unsurprisingly, won a large majority, so I'm really not sure this is interesting to readers. Toadspike [Talk] 07:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- ITN/R is just a guideline and so "exceptions may apply". Andrew🐉(talk) 08:30, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed; the general consensus of administrators is that the proper place to have a discussion about significance of ITN/R items is on WT:ITN, and discussions should only focus on WP:ITNCRIT. But we also know that there are instances in which the rules do not account for stories where the lede of the true story (the boycott of an election) has been buried. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- ITN/R is just a guideline and so "exceptions may apply". Andrew🐉(talk) 08:30, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - Blurb is misleading at best, per above. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:52, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - Might be a hot take but I don't think blatantly rigged and unfair elections in authoritarian countries should be considered ITN/R, unless the country itself has a massive impact and reach (ala Russian presidential elections). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose This is a likely sham election in a relatively minor country, so I don't think this is significant enough for ITN. That being said, article quality is fine. --SpectralIon (talk) 21:03, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- ALT2 added. I do not see how this is a different circumstance to other "sham elections" we've posted. Curbon7 (talk) 01:33, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Well the Russian election has a lot more global influence for example PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability.
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We post elections whether they're sham or not if the quality's good enough, as evidenced above, and we do not consider whether it is aminor country
when posting. In fact, we posted the previous Chadian election. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:38, 14 January 2025 (UTC) - Oppose Lets not promote a fake election. Chad is not a democracy. Tradediatalk 01:01, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Most African countries aren't democracies. Should we prevent the majority of African election coverage from being posted because most aren't "democratic" enough? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think that it should be a case by case call, taking into account the level of democracy. For example, The Economist Democracy Index lists 44 Sub-Saharan African countries. Chad is the 2nd worst among them (only better than Central African Republic). Tradediatalk 03:59, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Sham elections are still incredibly important for presidential monarchies, and the aftermath around them, I don’t see the logic of excluding them. If anything they tend to be more newsworthy Kowal2701 (talk) 17:06, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think that it should be a case by case call, taking into account the level of democracy. For example, The Economist Democracy Index lists 44 Sub-Saharan African countries. Chad is the 2nd worst among them (only better than Central African Republic). Tradediatalk 03:59, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support merge with the attack blurb. Any comments on the coverage of sham elections should be discussed elsewhere as it’s ITNR, it’s just article quality that matters. Article is a good length, but a couple missing citations in the Electoral system section. Ideally it’d have an aftermath/reactions section but situation is still developing. Kowal2701 (talk) 16:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Yes, this was likely a sham election, but the sentiment expressed by some voters here that we should be picking and choosing and deciding ourselves what elections otherwise falling under ITN/R are fair enough to post is out of line IMO. If it is desired, I think simply saying they were the first elections held since 2011 may suffice enough. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:53, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support altblurb2 as the only blurb that shows this was a sham election. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:50, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support ALT2 I get us not declaring it a sham ourselves, but it's critical to note the opposition boycotted and not give the impression that this was a normally-contested election. The Kip (contribs) 19:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
2024–25 Croatian presidential election
[edit]Blurb: Zoran Milanović (pictured) is re-elected president of Croatia. (Post)
News source(s): The Dubrovnik Times, Sarajevo Times, BBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by Moraljaya67 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Nom per ITN/R. Moraljaya67 (talk) 06:02, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The article looks quite presentable but most of the sources are in the Croatian language and so I've no idea how accurate or reliable they are. To check the blurb, I looked at the BBC report cited by the nomination (but not the article). This says that, "Presidents in Croatia fulfil a largely ceremonial role" and so it seems this is not ITN/R. I've therefore changed the nomination parameter to "no". Andrew🐉(talk) 08:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support First time voting here, the President of Croatia is the head of state, so this should be ITN/R right? Plus, there is precedent for posting changes in heads of state with mostly ceremonial roles, considering we posted the Coronation of Charles III and Camilla back in 2023. Ocean1cbanana (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Ocean1cbanana: The last time Croatia got a new head of state it was 2020, the last time somebody got coronated in Britain before Charles, it was 1953. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 17:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support - Meets WP:ITN/R so it's not a question of notability. I would say the article doesn't feel ready; it needs a bit more prose/updates post election, as it's pretty light on text overall right now.~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 17:41, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: this is not ITNR, which states that only the executive office qualifies, referring to List of current heads of state and government for guidance. For Croatia, that list indicates the prime minister has the executive power (green shading), not the president. I've adjusted the nomination template accordingly. Modest Genius talk 18:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - we do not, and really should not, post changes in the head of state when that office is not also the head of government. --RockstoneSend me a message! 23:16, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose This does not seem important enough for ITN after reading about the role of the president of Croatia. Tradediatalk 00:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support - Firstly, some of the facts presented here are incorrect. The President of Croatia is not a ceremonial role: the president decides the country's foreign policy, is responsible for all matters of national security, and reviews laws passed by the parliament (this is not a definite right of veto as in the US, but it can be used to block the passage of a law in many situations). The parliament still holds executive power, but it's a far, far cry from the position of European monarchs.
- Secondly and apart from ITN/R matters, the outcome was atypical. A landslide victory for the presidential office has happened only once since the establishment of the current two-party system (in 2005 with only 65% in the second round). Usually, both rounds produce a close result between major-party candidates. In addition, the candidate of the party governing the parliament barely mustered 10% of registered voters in each round, which is unprecented.
- The article itself needs some improvement -- so far, there is little info other than who ran and how many votes they won, and the election process in general. I'll try to fill in the blanks tomorrow. Daß Wölf 00:34, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
- I've added some detail to the article. Daß Wölf 11:38, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Hasjim Djalal
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://en.antaranews.com/news/341158/hasjim-djalal-an-architect-of-unclos-passes-away-at-90
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indonesian diplomat. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is a stub Thewetroadinsummer (talk) 20:41, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Thewetroadinsummer: Not a stub anymore... Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 23:35, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support: It's bit of a peacock, but once fixed its good to go. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 07:11, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @ExclusiveEditor: I've removed the promotional last paragraph... Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 00:43, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- There are few more minor problems in the article which I've tagged, whatsoever I continue supporting it with those. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 11:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- @ExclusiveEditor: I've removed the promotional last paragraph... Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 00:43, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Claude Jarman Jr.
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Clibenfoart (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Oscar-winning 1940s child actor. Removed the last "citation needed". --Clibenfoart (talk) 11:12, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support if the Filmography section does not need citations; oppose if it does. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 15:13, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know exactly (most of the filmographies here don't have sources), but I've added two sources anyway. --Clibenfoart (talk) 16:31, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
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Al-Bayda gas station explosion
[edit]Blurb: A gas station explosion in al-Bayda, Yemen results in 15 deaths and 67 injuries (Post)
News source(s): ABC news
Credits:
- Nominated by Abo Yemen (talk · give credit)
- Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Investigations are still ongoing and the article is being updated Abo Yemen✉ 16:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability Waiting for updated news. ArionStar (talk) 16:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose for now International coverage has been brief so far on this. Will only support if there's confirmation (from a proper source) that this is one of the worst of such incidents in Yemen. Yo.dazo (talk) 18:40, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose This is a war zone in various ways and there were hundreds of violent deaths last year. And the article and reports don't make it clear what sort of gas this was -- gasoline, propane, natural gas or what? Andrew🐉(talk) 19:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: As a compromise, how about adding the Yemeni civil war part of ongoing conflicts on the front page, thus removing the need to comment on every event? Harizotoh9 (talk) 23:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- This isn't part of the war tho, this is a gas station exploding Abo Yemen✉ 06:40, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Neither the article nor the coverage gives any explanation of the cause. It seems quite possible that it was a bomb/missile associated with the civil war or conflict with Israel, West or the Saudis. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:53, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- This isn't part of the war tho, this is a gas station exploding Abo Yemen✉ 06:40, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Not notable enough for blurb because it is a war zone. Tradediatalk 00:28, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as the article just isn't there. The Kip (contribs) 19:26, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Qiu Dahong
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dalian Institute of Technology (in Mandarin Chinese)
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- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Could do with an infobox but otherwise article looks well referenced and long enough, although expansion would be welcome. Cannot comment on the quality of the references though as they are all in Chinese. Abcmaxx (talk) 02:08, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is closer to the stubbier side of things, I'm afraid. Additional expansion would be helpful. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:27, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Could we please have more eyes on this? The bio looks fine to me. Schwede66 16:49, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Fereydoon Shahbazyan
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): IFP News
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Article looks comprehensive however sources may need to be checked on quality, however most are in Persian. If that passes then article looks fine otherwise. Abcmaxx (talk) 02:08, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Compositions section needs sourcing, and there are a few dodgy sources nonetheless (such as amazon.com being one of them). Cleanup on that end would be really helpful. Ping once completed. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:24, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
January 10
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RD: Félix Mantilla (baseball)
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/original-mets-shortstop-felix-mantilla-passes-away-at-90-logan9
Credits:
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
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Félix Mantilla 03:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: [citation needed]. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 05:25, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Frank Cicutto
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Happily888 (talk) 07:58, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is too stubby for Main Page recognition. Please add more info to the article to increase its length! Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 13:03, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: José Jiménez
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6]
Credits:
- Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Erksahin (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Happily888 (talk) 07:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is orange tagged and is in dire need of citations. Please fix! Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Milan Feranec
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7]
Credits:
- Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by GiantSnowman (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Czech politician. History6042😊 (Contact me) 15:25, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article has 172 words, and is not nearly long enough for Main Page recognition. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 19:07, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- What is considered a good length? History6042😊 (Contact me) 19:25, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Per WP:ITNQUALITY:
Articles should be a minimally comprehensive overview of the subject, not omitting any major items. Stub articles are never appropriate for the main page.
Staraction (talk | contribs) 06:20, 13 January 2025 (UTC)- Oh, thank you. I will withdraw this nomination then. History6042😊 (Contact me) 11:27, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- RD nominations do not need to be withdrawn, they can stay open until it rolls off after the 7 day period expires. The subject's article in Czech Wikipedia is pretty filled out, so it shouldn't be too difficult. Curbon7 (talk) 09:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, thank you. I will withdraw this nomination then. History6042😊 (Contact me) 11:27, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Per WP:ITNQUALITY:
- What is considered a good length? History6042😊 (Contact me) 19:25, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Sam Moore
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:B49A:4C1F:CA02:FF35 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Connormah (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American soul singer-songwriter and half of Sam & Dave. 240F:7A:6253:1:B49A:4C1F:CA02:FF35 (talk) 07:39, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Orange tagged for sourcing, and with good reason. The entire first few sections are completely uncited. Please fix! Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:25, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Shiu Ka-chun
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Standard
Credits:
- Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Artur-Bukow (talk · give credit) and TNM101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Hong Kong activist and former legislator. One paragraph needs a citation, otherwise the article is fine TNM101 (chat) 07:17, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
Weak opposeSome citations/length issues that are ultimately very minor. Shouldn't be too hard to fix. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)- @Fakescientist8000 I have cited the last paragraph, is there anything left to be addressed? TNM101 (chat) 14:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- @TNM101, looks good to me. Support, as the article looks good. Thank you for sourcing! Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 15:05, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Fakescientist8000 I have cited the last paragraph, is there anything left to be addressed? TNM101 (chat) 14:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 00:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Inauguration of Nicolas Maduro
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Nicolas Maduro (pictured) is inaugurated for a third term as President of Venezuela amidst a political crisis aggravated after the controversial results of the 2024 Venezuelan presidential election. (Post)
News source(s): (CNN)
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Again, the ITNR was the actual election, which was nominated but never got to the quality needed to post. Inaugerations are not a second chance for missing an ITNR election. --Masem (t) 17:48, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- But the inauguration of Mikheil Kavelashvili was posted too… The circumstances of this Venezuelan event do not seem to differ greatly from those in Georgia. ArionStar (talk) 17:51, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- The situation in Georgia was far different (coupled with protests), compared to where Maduro's been sitting for several terms and the issue remains how free the election results are. Here it would be like announcing Putin's next inauguration, while everyone questions the results of said "election", the inauguration is an inevitable result from that, and that election is still the ITNR. Masem (t) 17:59, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- There is no a Russian political crisis, but yes a Georgian and Venezuelan ones. ArionStar (talk) 18:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- The situation in Georgia was far different (coupled with protests), compared to where Maduro's been sitting for several terms and the issue remains how free the election results are. Here it would be like announcing Putin's next inauguration, while everyone questions the results of said "election", the inauguration is an inevitable result from that, and that election is still the ITNR. Masem (t) 17:59, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- But the inauguration of Mikheil Kavelashvili was posted too… The circumstances of this Venezuelan event do not seem to differ greatly from those in Georgia. ArionStar (talk) 17:51, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose good faith nom. "Dictator is sworn in following stolen election. In other news, the sun is expected to rise in the east and set in the west this weekend." -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:22, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose We don't post inaugurations. Setarip (talk) 20:29, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- oppose Edmundo Gonzalez said he would enter Venezuela and sworn as well. That would have been newsworthy, a story with more than just "X is inaugurated". Alas, it did not happen, so it was just Maduro doing his thing. Cambalachero (talk) 22:47, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose We don’t post inaugurations that formalise election results.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 00:35, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Does that include Trump's inauguration? HiLo48 (talk) 00:42, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Of course. I’ll oppose that one as well if it gets nominated.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 00:44, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Does that include Trump's inauguration? HiLo48 (talk) 00:42, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Per nom. We don't post inaugurations of Claudia Sheinbaum, Joe Biden, etc. Moraljaya67 (talk) 04:09, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - he's already president. Nfitz (talk) 06:00, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
January 9
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(Posted) RD: Otto Schenk
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ORF, NYT
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Austrian actor, and traditional theatre and opera director Grimes2 (talk) 15:11, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is well-cited and long enough to be eligible for Main Page recognition. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:46, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: He was a legend, whose productions remain in the repertory for a long time, Wagner's Ring cycle at the Metropolitan Opera from 1986 to 2009, Puccini's La bohème from 1969 until now at the Bavarian State Opera, and Die Fledermaus by Johann Strauss from 1972 until no end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 03:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Anita Bryant
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Wizzito (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
wizzito | say hello! 02:40, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Support. No uncited sections. A few potential bits of cruft in the Legacy section, but a generally well-fleshed out article. -insert valid name here- (talk) 03:21, 10 January 2025 (UTC)Oppose for now, per FakeScientist. -insert valid name here- (talk) 17:23, 10 January 2025 (UTC)- Comment I have added some CN TAGS in some unsourced lines and paras that might be easy to fix. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:11, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Far too many CN tags to be considered good enough quality to be put on the Main Page. Must be addressed as soon as possible. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 13:25, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:08, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: P. Jayachandran
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:
- Nominated by Pachu Kannan (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Pachu Kannan (talk) 03:43, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Article need more sources. Pachu Kannan (talk) 03:43, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Discography and Career sections need more citations, and need to be fixed. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:42, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) 2022–2025 Lebanese presidential election
[edit]Blurb: Joseph Aoun (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon after a two-year vacancy (Post)
Alternative blurb II: Joseph Aoun (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon after a two-year presidential vacuum
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Prodrummer619 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability, notwithstanding whether this counts as WP:ITN/R or not. Oppose on quality, with election article in particular needing some tidying up. Yo.dazo (talk) 13:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Yo.dazo I think it's fine now. Can you point out anything for me? Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Some paragraphs are still written like the election is still ongoing. Also every election session getting its own subsection is overkill—that could definitely be condensed into larger subsections and a single table for every round of voting. Yo.dazo (talk) 15:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Yo.dazo I think it's fine now. Can you point out anything for me? Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support, this is highly remarkable and not just some run-of-the-mill election. Lebanon is notorious for its political deadlock, to which this is a surprising exception. Article also looks pretty clean. Skimming it, I saw no major issues and fairly good sourcing. The thirteen rounds of vote tables might be excessive, but are no reason to prevent this nomination from succeeding. Toadspike [Talk] 14:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Important election that can change the Middle East geopolitics. ArionStar (talk) 15:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Would like to see a bit of content on the aftermath of Aoun's election today, but the article's in a good enough state to post regardless. The Kip (contribs) 18:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support This is important for the destiny of Lebanon and also the Middle East in general (war with Israel, weapons of Hezbollah, Syria, Iran...) Also, the article quality looks good enough to me. Tradediatalk 18:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support finally, after 13 sessions, Lebanon has a president again, hopefully the political crisis there can start to be solved. Scuba 19:18, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - no ordinary Lebanon election. Important for both the Middle East and geopolitics at large. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 20:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:50, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Stephen: please add "[[]]" between President of Lebanon due to its importance. ArionStar (talk) 02:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- You can go to WP:ERRORS for that. 65.93.223.182 (talk) 04:12, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Stephen: please add "[[]]" between President of Lebanon due to its importance. ArionStar (talk) 02:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- is there a reason why there have been three different pictures of him used on the front page over the last two days? — jonas (talk) 04:07, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Two pictures. What is the problem with that? Stephen 04:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
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